Sons of Thunder

"James and John, you are 'Sons of Thunder!'" What did Jesus mean when He said that? What did the brothers feel and understand when He said it of them? Most modern preachers and interpreters have translated that phrase to mean "impetuous" or "angry". But that cannot be a valid interpretation as we will see below. The following is an experpt from a paper I wrote for Biblical Hermeneutics. The paper was a synopsis of E.D. Hirsh's book, "Validity in Interpretation". The book is referenced throughout the following. The application section of the paper begins:

Perhaps the easiest way to clarify the principles of validity in interpretation is through the use of an example. I will attempt to repudiate what I believe to be a commonly held but invalid interpretation of Mark 3:17;

"16 And He appointed the twelve: Simon (to whom He gave the name Peter), 17 and James, the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James (to them He gave the name Boanerges, which means, "Sons of Thunder");" Mark 3:16-17 (NASB77).

The focus, for the sake of this exercise, will be on the interpretation of the phrase, "to them He gave the name Boanerges, which means, "Sons of Thunder'."

Virtually every interpretation of this phrase that I have read or heard over the years have interpreted the phrase "Sons of Thunder" in one of three ways; 1) the phrase points to the impetuous nature of James and John, 2) the phrase indicates that James and John have an anger problem, or 3) Zebedee, the father of James an John, has an anger problem and they are, therefore, "sons of an angry man." There appears, however, to be no evidence to support the validity of any of these three interpretations. To the contrary, evidence from the Christian Bible seems to contraindicate or invalidate these interpretations. These interpretations appear to come from a contemporary, colloquial use of the word "thunder" with regards to individuals - that being that individuals who "thunder" are angry. In order to get a more valid interpretation of the meaning of the phrase "Sons of Thunder," one must go back to the use of the word "thunder" in the context in which it was originally penned by the author to determine whether "anger" is an appropriate (valid) interpretation. Is it within the determinate meaning of the passage?

The author of this particular passage is Mark (John Mark?) who was an eye witness of the events which he documented in this particular text. The text is a "gospel" in the canon of the New Testament of the Christian Bible. The purpose of a "gospel" is to document the life, work, and teachings of Jesus Christ. Applying the principle of "genre" to the passage would require that one consider the passage in light of Jesus' work and life. The assigning of the name "Sons of Thunder" is attributed by Mark to Jesus. As such it qualifies as an activity of Jesus Christ. Is the interpretation, "anger," in keeping with the personality, character, and work of Jesus, the one to whom it is attributed? No, it is not. In this same passage we see Jesus renaming Simon, giving him the name Peter. In other passages of the Christian Bible we see God renaming other individuals. In each case, the new name given by God (Jesus) indicates a holier or better character than the individual's old name indicated. Simon (pebbles) becomes Peter (rock), Abram (exalted father) becomes Abraham (father of nations; Gen 17:5), Sarai becomes Sarah (Princess; Gen. 17:15), Jacob (Deceiver) becomes Israel (One who strives with God; Gen 32:28;35:10). For Jesus to mean "Sons of Anger" or "Impetuous" when he calls James and John "Sons of Thunder" would be to give his best friends a new name that points to their old and fallen nature. This is not in keeping with His character and his activities elsewhere in scripture, so it must be discarded.

 

In order to determine a more valid interpretation of the word "thunder" and it's application to James and John, one must apply the principles of "interpretive evidence" by reviewing other uses of the word "thunder" in Mark's writing(s), other gospels, the New Testament, and the Christian bible as a whole. Unfortunately, there are no other uses of the Greek word for thunder in Mark's only New Testament writing, the book of Mark. There is one occurrence of the word in John's gospel ; "The multitude therefore, who stood by and heard it, said that it had thundered. Others said, 'An angel has spoken to him.'" (John 12:29). There are a total of nine other uses of the word "thunder" in the New Testament, all in John, Son of Thunder's writings, and 31 uses in the Old Testament. If we review these uses of the word "Thunder," of which there are a total of 42 in the Christian Bible, we find the following distribution of meanings [1]:

Count % Use
8 19.0% God's Presence
11 26.2% God's Word or Voice
3 7.1% God's Wrath
6 14.3% Heavenly Host
1 2.4% men (The thunder of captains in battle)
12 28.6% weather (in every case at God's command)
1 2.4% Zebedee's sons
42 100.0% Total

See APPENDIX 1 - Uses of "Thunder" in Scripture for more details and disclaimers.

None of the cases use the term "thunder" to describe a personality trait or characteristic of a man or men. The only case in scripture where thunder refers to men is in Job 39:25 where it refers to the noise of battle. In 12 (28.6%) cases "thunder" refers to the literal weather phenomenon. In six (14.3%) cases it refers to noises heard in heaven made by the heavenly hosts (all in John's Revelation.) In 22 (52%) cases the term "thunder" refers to the sound of God's presence, God's voice or word, or God's power. It should also be noted that in each instance where "thunder" indicates the literal weather phenomenon, that weather is caused by God. Therefore 52-80% of cases in scripture where the term "thunder" is used it refers to God's activity, presence, power, voice or word. The closest and most powerful evidence of the meaning of term is in John's gospel (same genre). In this case (quoted above,) "thunder" clearly applies to the voice of God:

[Jesus said] 28 "Father, glorify Thy name." There came therefore a voice out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 The multitude therefore, who stood by and heard it, were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him."

John 12:28-29 (NASB77) (Emphasis mine.)

If all 42 instances of "thunder" in the Christian Bible are reviewed, we find that the most frequent use of the term outside of it's literal meaning is in reference to God's activity and, more specifically, God's voice or Word (eleven instances,) including John's reference given above. Using raw numerical probability in the absence of other evidence would therefore indicate that a more valid interpretation of "Sons of Thunder" would be "Sons of God's Word" or "Sons of My Word.">

Is there any other evidence that this last interpretation is more valid than others? I have not fully exhausted and evaluated the other possible interpretations, but I did review the character and writings of John to determine whether this "Son of Thunder" could be called the "Son of God's Word." In that light it is interesting to note that John uses the Greek word for "Word" in reference to Jesus or God 39 times in his writings, more frequently than any other New Testament author. Jesus as "the Word" was critically important to John "Son of God's Word."

While this example and it's implementation may seem, to some, to be stretching the principles of validation, these various tests appear to indicate that "Son of God's Word" is a more valid interpretation of "Son of Thunder" than is "Son of Anger." This interpretation is 1) in character with Jesus Christ about whom Mark was writing in the passage in question, 2) in keeping with other uses of the term in closely related (genre) passages as well as other passages, 3) in keeping with the most common use of the term in the Christian Bible as a whole, and 4) in keeping with New Testament principles regarding the Christian's "new name" given by Christ.

It is hoped that this example makes proper use of and helps to clarify the principles put forward by Mr. Hirsch in his book Validity in Interpretation.


[1] The meanings attributed in this table and in Appendix 1 are based on cursory review of the passages in multiple English translations. A thorough review would require applying tests of interpretorial validity to each of these passages as well to be sure of the most valid interpretation of each.


APPENDIX 1 - Scriptures that use the word "Thunder"

Scriptures listed are from both the Old and New Testaments and are quoted from the New International Version of the Bible.

Passage Use Text  
Exodus 19:16 God's Presence It happened on the third day, when it was morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud on the mountain, and the sound of an exceedingly loud trumpet; and all the people who were in the camp trembled. OT
Exodus 20:18 God's Presence All the people perceived the thunderings, the lightnings, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking. When the people saw it, they trembled, and stayed at a distance. OT
Isaiah 29:6 God's Presence She shall be visited of Yahweh of Hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with whirlwind and tempest, and the flame of a devouring fire. OT
Job 26:14 God's Presence Behold, these are but the outskirts of his ways. How small a whisper do we hear of him! But the thunder of his power who can understand?" OT
Job 36:29 God's Presence Yes, can any understand the spreading of the clouds, And the thunderings of his pavilion? OT
Psalms 81:7 God's Presence You called in trouble, and I delivered you. I answered you in the secret place of thunder. I tested you at the waters of Meribah." Selah. OT
Revelation 11:19 God's Presence God's temple that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of the Lord's covenant was seen in his temple. Lightnings, sounds, thunders, an earthquake, and great hail followed. NT
Revelation 4:5 God's Presence Out of the throne proceed lightnings, sounds, and thunders. There were seven lamps of fire burning before his throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. NT
Revelation 10:3 Heavenly Host He cried with a loud voice, as a lion roars. When he cried, the seven thunders uttered their voices. NT
Revelation 10:4 Heavenly Host When the seven thunders sounded, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from the sky saying, "Seal up the things which the seven thunders said, and don't write them." NT
Revelation 14:2 Heavenly Host I heard a sound from heaven, like the sound of many waters, and like the sound of a great thunder. The sound which I heard was like that of harpists playing on their harps. NT
Revelation 19:6 Heavenly Host I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of mighty thunders, saying, "Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns! NT
Revelation 6:1 Heavenly Host I saw that the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as with a voice of thunder, "Come and see!" NT
Revelation 8:5 Heavenly Host The angel took the censer, and he filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it on the earth. There followed thunders, sounds, lightnings, and an earthquake. NT
Job 39:25 men As often as the trumpet sounds he snorts, 'Aha!' He smells the battle afar off, The thunder of the captains, and the shouting. OT
1 Samuel 12:17 weather Isn't it wheat harvest today? I will call to Yahweh, that he may send thunder and rain; and you shall know and see that your wickedness is great, which you have done in the sight of Yahweh, in asking you a king. OT
1 Samuel 12:18 weather So Samuel called to Yahweh; and Yahweh sent thunder and rain that day: and all the people greatly feared Yahweh and Samuel. OT
Exodus 9:23 weather Moses stretched forth his rod toward the heavens, and Yahweh sent thunder, hail, and lightning flashed down to the earth. Yahweh rained hail on the land of Egypt. OT
Exodus 9:28 weather Pray to Yahweh; for there has been enough of mighty thunderings and hail. I will let you go, and you shall stay no longer." OT
Exodus 9:29 weather Moses said to him, "As soon as I have gone out of the city, I will spread abroad my hands to Yahweh. The thunders shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that you may know that the earth is Yahweh's. OT
Exodus 9:33 weather Moses went out of the city from Pharaoh, and spread abroad his hands to Yahweh; and the thunders and hail ceased, and the rain was not poured on the earth. OT
Exodus 9:34 weather When Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants. OT
Job 28:26 weather When he made a decree for the rain, And a way for the lightning of the thunder; OT
Job 38:25 weather Who has cut a channel for the flood water, Or the path for the thunderstorm; OT
Psalms 77:17 weather The clouds poured out water. The skies resounded with thunder. Your arrows also flashed around. OT
Psalms 78:48 weather He gave over their cattle also to the hail, And their flocks to hot thunderbolts. OT
Revelation 16:18 weather There were lightnings, sounds, and thunders; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since there were men on the earth, so great an earthquake, so mighty. NT
2 Samuel 22:14 God's Word Yahweh thundered from heaven, The Most High uttered his voice. OT
Job 37:4 God's Word After it a voice roars. He thunders with the voice of his majesty; He doesn't hold back anything when his voice is heard. OT
Job 37:5 God's Word God thunders marvelously with his voice. He does great things, which we can't comprehend. OT
Job 40:9 God's Word Or have you an arm like God? Can you thunder with a voice like him? OT
Joel 2:11 God's Word Yahweh thunders his voice before his army; For his forces are very great; For he is strong who obeys his command; For the day of Yahweh is great and very awesome, And who can endure it? OT
Joel 3:16 God's Word Yahweh will roar from Zion, And thunder from Jerusalem; And the heavens and the earth will shake; But Yahweh will be a refuge to his people, And a stronghold to the children of Israel. OT
John 12:29 God's Word The multitude therefore, who stood by and heard it, said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to him." NT
Psalms 104:7 God's Word At your rebuke they fled. At the voice of your thunder they hurried away. OT
Psalms 18:13 God's Word Yahweh also thundered in the sky, The Most High uttered his voice: Hailstones and coals of fire. OT
Psalms 29:3 God's Word Yahweh's voice is on the waters. The God of glory thunders, even Yahweh on many waters. OT
Psalms 77:18 God's Word The voice of your thunder was in the whirlwind. The lightnings lit up the world. The earth trembled and shook. OT
1 Samuel 2:10 God's Wrath Those who strive with Yahweh shall be broken to pieces; Against them will he thunder in the sky: Yahweh will judge the ends of the earth; He will give strength to his king, Exalt the horn of his anointed. OT
1 Samuel 7:10 God's Wrath As Samuel was offering up the burnt offering, the Philistines drew near to battle against Israel; but Yahweh thundered with a great thunder on that day on the Philistines, and confused them; and they were struck down before Israel. OT
Isaiah 33:3 God's Wrath At the noise of the thunder the peoples are fled; at the lifting up of yourself the nations are scattered. OT
Mark 3:17 Zebedee's sons James the son of Zebedee; John, the brother of James, and he surnamed them Boanerges, which means, Sons of Thunder; NT
Instances of "Thunder" in the Old Testament 31
Instances of "Thunder" in the New Testament 11